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RE: Snakeoil 1.4.0 (High End) - uglymusic - 10-May-2025

(10-May-2025, 12:01 AM)hkphantomgtr Wrote:
(09-May-2025, 11:23 PM)uglymusic Wrote:
(09-May-2025, 10:57 PM)hkphantomgtr Wrote:
(09-May-2025, 10:36 PM)uglymusic Wrote:
(09-May-2025, 10:14 PM)hkphantomgtr Wrote: Hey, pal, look, now is already 1.4.3.   The improvement of the sound is a big lap.Big Grin  https://forums.snakeoil-os.net/Thread-Snakeoil-1-4-3-High-End-U3
And do you have 2 NVMe drive on your Pi 5 for this?  Shy

Sorry. Being lazy. I have 1.4.3 installed.

Just one 4TB drive, with the source of truth being on my Synology. The idea is to move the files away from the NAS' noisy environment and push changes over to the Pi server.

Ic. Right.  That will make much better sound. 
I use a micro SD card to boot pi 5, and a 2T NVMe for music files storage.  As if I have to reinstall the OS, I don't have to copy 2T files again, it takes at least 6 hrs.........

That is interesting. I hadn't thought about reinstalling the OS. This is why you were asking about two NVMe drives.

I find my server destroys SD cards, even heavy duty ones, in anything from 6 months to 2 years depending on the card. Where will the indexes reside if I don't move everything to the NVMe drive and use the SD card for booting? I'm thinking I won't solve the SD eating behaviour.

Well, your SD problem is strange.  Just a wild guess, is the power supply, or temperature problem?  Well, anyway, maybe just clone an image periodically.... haha..... 
In fact, how about u just use a tiny usb flash drive to boot, e.g. "Sandisk Ultra Fit".   I hope your system won't kill USB drive, too.

I doubt it. It has happened with RPi 4 and 5 with a handful of different power supplies. The Pis have always been adequately cooled. The 5 has an official fan and is in an open case. And I always use SanDisk cards when I can.

Funny you should say about the USB drive. I have one of the very same that I've been looking for. That could be the best solution until I can get a twin NVMe card and an additional NVMe drive for the OS. I'll see how I get on with the USB drive.

RE: Snakeoil 1.4.0 (High End) - agent_kith - 10-May-2025

(09-May-2025, 11:23 PM)uglymusic Wrote: That is interesting. I hadn't thought about reinstalling the OS. This is why you were asking about two NVMe drives.

I find my server destroys SD cards, even heavy duty ones, in anything from 6 months to 2 years depending on the card. Where will the indexes reside if I don't move everything to the NVMe drive and use the SD card for booting? I'm thinking I won't solve the SD eating behaviour.
That's a good point. I didn't consider that MicroSD cards have very poor write longevity for the most part. it's a consumable.. And I havn't really thought about that..

Going to create a feature to allow you to MPD/LMS and Snakeoil config files to another path, doing so you can move the configuration files to another location (NVME/SSD or NAS)...

Note that Raspberry Pi 5 can directly boot from a SSD now (Pi4 will require a firmware update). I'm using SSDs over microsd (SSD last longer but will still die eventually).

RE: Snakeoil 1.4.0 (High End) - uglymusic - 10-May-2025

(10-May-2025, 08:24 AM)agent_kith Wrote:
(09-May-2025, 11:23 PM)uglymusic Wrote: That is interesting. I hadn't thought about reinstalling the OS. This is why you were asking about two NVMe drives.

I find my server destroys SD cards, even heavy duty ones, in anything from 6 months to 2 years depending on the card. Where will the indexes reside if I don't move everything to the NVMe drive and use the SD card for booting? I'm thinking I won't solve the SD eating behaviour.
That's a good point. I didn't consider that MicroSD cards have very poor write longevity for the most part. it's a consumable.. And I havn't really thought about that..

Going to create a feature to allow you to MPD/LMS and Snakeoil config files to another path, doing so you can move the configuration files to another location (NVME/SSD or NAS)...

Note that Raspberry Pi 5 can directly boot from a SSD now (Pi4 will require a firmware update). I'm using SSDs over microsd (SSD last longer but will still die eventually).

Moving the SO config files sounds good, but I wonder if the USB boot drive idea might be just as good, although as I type this I also wonder if the speed of NVMe might be worthwhile for frequently accessed files like the indexes.

I have a very early RPi 5, but have attempted to update the firmware, but it's still refusing to boot from USB or NVMe. So it looks like the upgrade didn't take. So back to Square One.

Edit: The firmware is definitely updated but I cannot boot from either the NVMe or USB drives in Ubuntu or Raspberry Pi OS. It looks like I may have a faulty RPi 5.

RE: Snakeoil 1.4.0 (High End) - agent_kith - 12-May-2025

(10-May-2025, 08:51 PM)uglymusic Wrote: Moving the SO config files sounds good, but I wonder if the USB boot drive idea might be just as good, although as I type this I also wonder if the speed of NVMe might be worthwhile for frequently accessed files like the indexes.

I have a very early RPi 5, but have attempted to update the firmware, but it's still refusing to boot from USB or NVMe. So it looks like the upgrade didn't take. So back to Square One.

Edit: The firmware is definitely updated but I cannot boot from either the NVMe or USB drives in Ubuntu or Raspberry Pi OS. It looks like I may have a faulty RPi 5.
Try and add the following to your config.txt file

Code:
program_usb_boot_mode=1

Make sure you connect your USB to the blue USB ports and not the black ones.

Or try and look up the Internet for some guides. With all my Pis (4 and 5) I have set it up to try USB boot first than fallback to microsd second. It's been so long now I actually do not really how I did it..

The best solution is probably still PCI-e bus to NVMe though, but this is not something I have tried myself personally.

RE: Snakeoil 1.4.0 (High End) - uglymusic - 15-May-2025

(12-May-2025, 03:56 PM)agent_kith Wrote:
(10-May-2025, 08:51 PM)uglymusic Wrote: Moving the SO config files sounds good, but I wonder if the USB boot drive idea might be just as good, although as I type this I also wonder if the speed of NVMe might be worthwhile for frequently accessed files like the indexes.

I have a very early RPi 5, but have attempted to update the firmware, but it's still refusing to boot from USB or NVMe. So it looks like the upgrade didn't take. So back to Square One.

Edit: The firmware is definitely updated but I cannot boot from either the NVMe or USB drives in Ubuntu or Raspberry Pi OS. It looks like I may have a faulty RPi 5.
Try and add the following to your config.txt file
 
Code:
program_usb_boot_mode=1

Make sure you connect your USB to the blue USB ports and not the black ones.

Or try and look up the Internet for some guides. With all my Pis (4 and 5) I have set it up to try USB boot first than fallback to microsd second. It's been so long now I actually do not really how I did it..

The best solution is probably still PCI-e bus to NVMe though, but this is not something I have tried myself personally.

Thanks AK

I'll give that a go and report back.

On my RPi 5, the USB ports are all black! I keep meaning to test if they are all the same.

RE: Snakeoil 1.4.0 (High End) - carlodim - 15-May-2025

(15-May-2025, 01:40 AM)uglymusic Wrote:
(12-May-2025, 03:56 PM)agent_kith Wrote:  
Thanks AK

I'll give that a go and report back.

On my RPi 5, the USB ports are all black! I keep meaning to test if they are all the same.

No that can't be. This is my Pi 5:

[Image: bluepi5.png]

RE: Snakeoil 1.4.0 (High End) - agent_kith - 15-May-2025

@"uglymusic" , yeah, it's what @"carlodim" said, there should be 2 blue ports. If memory serves USB boot will only work on those ports. 

Raspberry Pi 2 and 3 have all 4 black ports. These will not work with USB boot I think.

And although RPi 4 also has 2 blue ports, it's shared with the network so that's not ideal.

That shared bus problem is addressed with RPi-5, and this is why I said a while back that the 5th generation platform is likely the best yet (In terms of I/O throughput).

RE: Snakeoil 1.4.0 (High End) - uglymusic - 15-May-2025

OK, @"carlodim" and @"agent_kith" I was wrong. I've just taken it out of the shadows, and sure enough, there are two blue ports and purely by luck, I had the USB stick plugged into one of them  Smile

But I haven't yet tried your fix for the non-booting from the USB stick, AK. Hopefully tomorrow.

RE: Snakeoil 1.4.0 (High End) - Snoopy8 - 15-May-2025

Confirming my Pi5 has 2 blue  USB ports and they are the bootable USB ports.  One more thing to consider.  The Pi5 expects 5V 5A when booting from USB (but this can be overwritten temporarily during boot or permanently in config file).  This may help:

https://bret.dk/usb-boot-on-the-raspberry-pi-5/

RE: Snakeoil 1.4.0 (High End) - uglymusic - 15-May-2025

(15-May-2025, 02:17 PM)Snoopy8 Wrote: Confirming my Pi5 has 2 blue  USB ports and they are the bootable USB ports.  One more thing to consider.  The Pi5 expects 5V 5A when booting from USB (but this can be overwritten temporarily during boot or permanently in config file).  This may help:

https://bret.dk/usb-boot-on-the-raspberry-pi-5/

Thanks. I'd found that page. And tried substituting the official RPi 5 PSU for my Linear PSU, but no joy  Sad

There is also a YouTube video where the guy shows a way to override the Ubuntu error message on boot supposedly to allow the machine to boot. I haven't tried that, but perhaps I should.