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Is this project still alive? - Martin-Herlov - 17-May-2025

I would like to know if this project is dead or maybe hibernating 😉

I would also like to know what tweaks the snakeoil os does to the ubuntu server to make it sound better.

Thanks,

RE: Is this project still alive? - Snoopy8 - 17-May-2025

SnakeOil is very much alive, new version released a few weeks ago. Some clues on why it sounds so good in Wiki
https://www.snakeoil-os.net/reference/basics/what-is-snakeoil

RE: Is this project still alive? - Martin-Herlov - 17-May-2025

(17-May-2025, 05:43 PM)Snoopy8 Wrote: SnakeOil is very much alive, new version released a few weeks ago. Some clues on why it sounds so good in Wiki
https://www.snakeoil-os.net/reference/basics/what-is-snakeoil

In the link provided it’s said that snakeoil is based on Ubuntu 20 and sound improvements is a special kernel. Not much information

would be nice if the code was on GitHub so we could follow the development.

I have now read the full thread about SO 1.4.3 and from that I have found out that I can get a pro ubuntu with real time kernel, very cool.

I will follow the forum and wait for a more robust release. can see that agent_kith has his hands full. really hope that he has other programmers to help him out.

RE: Is this project still alive? - Snoopy8 - 17-May-2025

(17-May-2025, 05:53 PM)Martin-Herlov Wrote: In the link provided it’s said that snakeoil is based on Ubuntu 20 and sound improvements is a special kernel. Not much information

Thank you. Corrected mistake.

(17-May-2025, 05:53 PM)Martin-Herlov Wrote: would be nice if the code was on GitHub so we could follow the development.

https://git.snakeoil-os.net/snakeoil/operating-system
Don't know enough, so will allow Agent Kith to explain

(17-May-2025, 05:53 PM)Martin-Herlov Wrote: I have now read the full thread about SO 1.4.3 and from that I have found out that I can get a pro ubuntu with real time kernel, very cool.

Do give it a try

(17-May-2025, 05:53 PM)Martin-Herlov Wrote: I will follow the forum and wait for a more robust release. can see that agent_kith has his hands full. really hope that he has other programmers to help him out.

Not sure what you mean by more "robust release"?? If you know of someone who can help, please suggest to Agent Kith

RE: Is this project still alive? - agent_kith - 18-May-2025

(17-May-2025, 05:53 PM)Martin-Herlov Wrote: I will follow the forum and wait for a more robust release. can see that agent_kith has his hands full. really hope that he has other programmers to help him out.

This is what is required for the future stability of the project to be honest. More developers are needed. Please look into the backlog and pick up tickets. Once I release 1.4.4 will look into creating a development environment that's easier for people to get in. Realistically I did not focus on that before since nobody wanted to help on the development side.

The monthly donations coming in to the project is not even enough to cover the monthly costs of renting the computer equipment, let alone my time. This might get harder down the stretch if I do not land a new job Tongue

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Right now I can continue to put up time and money to keep this going, but the pace will not be as quick given this is mostly a 2 person show (@"Snoopy8" doing the documentation and me on everything else - and there is a lot to do in everything else).

So is this project still alive? yes, however, "for how long" is the question. If everybody just sits back and expect to get something for nothing, then the project will die once I run out of money (i.e. I cannot afford to pay for the infrastructure).

My passion for music listening will not go away though, so I will continue to write code to improve the way on how I listen to music. Just that the code will not be shared since i don't have the infrastructure to host them.

RE: Is this project still alive? - Snoopy8 - 18-May-2025

(18-May-2025, 08:56 AM)agent_kith Wrote: The monthly donations coming in to the project is not even enough to cover the monthly costs of renting the computer equipment, let alone my time. This might get harder down the stretch if I do not land a new job .

How many "Big Fan" ($15/month) donations are required to cover the infrastructure costs?

RE: Is this project still alive? - Martin-Herlov - 18-May-2025

(18-May-2025, 08:56 AM)agent_kith Wrote:
(17-May-2025, 05:53 PM)Martin-Herlov Wrote: I will follow the forum and wait for a more robust release. can see that agent_kith has his hands full. really hope that he has other programmers to help him out.
This is what is required for the future stability of the project to be honest. More developers are needed. Please look into the backlog and pick up tickets. Once I release 1.4.4 will look into creating a development environment that's easier for people to get in. Realistically I did not focus on that before since nobody wanted to help on the development side.

The monthly donations coming in to the project is not even enough to cover the monthly costs of renting the computer equipment, let alone my time. This might get harder down the stretch if I do not land a new job .

Right now I can continue to put up time and money to keep this going, but the pace will not be as quick given this is mostly a 2 person show (@"Snoopy8" doing the documentation and me on everything else - and there is a lot to do in everything else).

So is this project still alive? yes, however, "for how long" is the question. If everybody just sits back and expect to get something for nothing, then the project will die once I run out of money (i.e. I cannot afford to pay for the infrastructure).

My passion for music listening will not go away though, so I will continue to write code to improve the way on how I listen to music. Just that the code will not be shared since i don't have the infrastructure to host them.

I am a C# and devops developer and has been programming for close to 30 years. I wish I could help out, but linux and C is not my expertise.
When you talk about infrastructure is it, the cost for the web servers? I think you more or less can host code and CI/DI free on github or Azure devops.
But I guess that you already have looked into that.

There are many OS developers that are struggling and it's hard to find a solution. I guess a one-time download fee of 20$ would be acceptable for all, but properly not enough to live on.

RE: Is this project still alive? - agent_kith - 19-May-2025

(18-May-2025, 11:45 AM)Snoopy8 Wrote: How many "Big Fan" ($15/month) donations are required to cover the infrastructure costs?

Infrastructure is cheap relatively speaking - only $105 per month. That's 2 bare metal servers + 2 IPv4 addresses. IPv4 addresses used to be a one time cost, but now they are at $2.50 per month (hence the weird number of $105).

This is why I can still cover for the costs, for now. So about 7 big fan will "break even". However this number is "before tax", so the true number is going to be around 10 to 15.

(18-May-2025, 07:04 PM)Martin-Herlov Wrote: I am a C# and devops developer and has been programming for close to 30 years. I wish I could help out, but linux and C is not my expertise.
When you talk about infrastructure is it, the cost for the web servers? I think you more or less can host code and CI/DI free on github or Azure devops.
But I guess that you already have looked into that.

Yeah, have already looked into that. If only Microsoft don't own Github. LOL

However, there are other aspects too - forums, blogs, etc. You can host these on a VPS (these services were once before), but a bare metal server is just more convenient frankly.

Any help is welcome to be honest, you can use C# in the linux world too - mono project.

Or help out in the documentation. Contribute interesting blog articles, and so on.

(18-May-2025, 07:04 PM)Martin-Herlov Wrote: There are many OS developers that are struggling and it's hard to find a solution. I guess a one-time download fee of 20$ would be acceptable for all, but properly not enough to live on.

I would still like to keep this open sourced if possible. The whole idea of snakeoil is to make it as widely accessible to as many folks as possible. And thus allowing more people to explore/find ways on how to make digital reproduction better.

e.g. right now I did not dedicate as much time on Raspberry Pi, but look at some of the projects happening here - with better clocks and power supplies. Raspberry Pi 5 is no longer I/O bandwidth starved, this might just be the one SoC that will work...

RE: Is this project still alive? - hkphantomgtr - 19-May-2025

(19-May-2025, 09:36 AM)agent_kith Wrote:
(18-May-2025, 11:45 AM)Snoopy8 Wrote: How many "Big Fan" ($15/month) donations are required to cover the infrastructure costs?
Infrastructure is cheap relatively speaking - only $105 per month. That's 2 bare metal servers + 2 IPv4 addresses. IPv4 addresses used to be a one time cost, but now they are at $2.50 per month (hence the weird number of $105).

This is why I can still cover for the costs, for now. So about 7 big fan will "break even". However this number is "before tax", so the true number is going to be around 10 to 15.

(18-May-2025, 07:04 PM)Martin-Herlov Wrote: I am a C# and devops developer and has been programming for close to 30 years. I wish I could help out, but linux and C is not my expertise.
When you talk about infrastructure is it, the cost for the web servers? I think you more or less can host code and CI/DI free on github or Azure devops.
But I guess that you already have looked into that.
Yeah, have already looked into that. If only Microsoft don't own Github.

However, there are other aspects too - forums, blogs, etc. You can host these on a VPS (these services were once before), but a bare metal server is just more convenient frankly.

Any help is welcome to be honest, you can use C# in the linux world too - mono project.

Or help out in the documentation. Contribute interesting blog articles, and so on.

(18-May-2025, 07:04 PM)Martin-Herlov Wrote: There are many OS developers that are struggling and it's hard to find a solution. I guess a one-time download fee of 20$ would be acceptable for all, but properly not enough to live on.
I would still like to keep this open sourced if possible. The whole idea of snakeoil is to make it as widely accessible to as many folks as possible. And thus allowing more people to explore/find ways on how to make digital reproduction better.

e.g. right now I did not dedicate as much time on Raspberry Pi, but look at some of the projects happening here - with better clocks and power supplies. Raspberry Pi 5 is no longer I/O bandwidth starved, this might just be the one SoC that will work...

In these few months of testing and building my Pi 5 music server, the sound of a modified Pi 5 is very surprising (esp from USB, also the digital output hats). It surpassed my fanless mod. NUC a lot.

Yet I can't figure out how the heat dissipation and EMI isolation can coexist in a layman setting.

Cordially I agree with you very much that hoping there is a PCB developer can release an audio PCB with CM5, including mod clock for Pi5, NVMe, and can solve both heat dissipation and EMI isolation, too.

Probably I'll have time to update my journey in my earlier thread next week. Shy

RE: Is this project still alive? - Snoopy8 - 19-May-2025

(19-May-2025, 09:36 AM)agent_kith Wrote: This is why I can still cover for the costs, for now. So about 7 big fan will "break even". However this number is "before tax", so the true number is going to be around 10 to 15.

Maybe it is time to be less generous and get some income to support the infrastructure ???

Activation for a minimum of $20.
Yearly update for most people, unless there is a security issue
At least 4 updates per year with big fan, 2 updates per year for medium fan ?