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[split] Possible To Load Snakeoil OS in RAM - wxrbbs - 29-Apr-2025
Suggestion: Is it possible to run programs in memory, or even run the system in memory (such as ramroot)? Currently, after implementing memory-resident operation for mpd, upmpdcli, and diretta, the sound quality has improved significantly. Therefore, have you considered developing in this direction?
root@wxrbbsroon:~# ps aux | grep upmpdcli
upmpdcli 1393 0.1 0.1 1068028 10536 ? Ssl 15:38 0:01 /run/upmpdcli/upmpdcli -c /var/www/scratch/upmpdcli.conf -D
upmpdcli 1404 0.0 0.4 85200 36480 ? S 15:38 0:00 python3 /usr/share/upmpdcli/cdplugins/uprcl/uprcl-app.py
root 13386 0.0 0.0 6544 2176 pts/2 S+ 15:51 0:00 grep --color=auto upmpdcli
root@wxrbbsroon:~# ps aux | grep mpd
root 1314 0.0 0.0 7340 3328 ? S 15:37 0:00 /usr/bin/bash -c cd /var/www/;_NAME="wxrbbs" _OUTPUT="hw:0: Diretta3FF0 [TargetApp_0000,0: TargetApp_0000" _FORMAT="pcm" _OPTIONS="" /var/www/music_players/mpd-v23/init /var/www/music_players/mpd-v23 2>&1;/var/www/music_players/mpd-v23/start /var/www/music_players/mpd-v23 2>&1;
root 1321 0.4 0.2 439440 17904 ? Sl 15:37 0:03 /run/mpd/mpd-v23/mpd --no-daemon /var/www/scratch/mpd.conf
upmpdcli 1393 0.1 0.1 1068028 10536 ? Ssl 15:38 0:01 /run/upmpdcli/upmpdcli -c /var/www/scratch/upmpdcli.conf -D
upmpdcli 1404 0.0 0.4 85200 36480 ? S 15:38 0:00 python3 /usr/share/upmpdcli/cdplugins/uprcl/uprcl-app.py
root 13501 0.0 0.0 6544 2304 pts/2 S+ 15:51 0:00 grep --color=auto mpd
root@wxrbbsroon:~# ps aux | grep ssyncAlsa_gcc14_x64_v1
root 912 3.6 0.0 94084 3584 ? Ssl 15:37 0:31 /run/ssyn/ssyncAlsa_gcc14_x64_v1
root 13646 0.0 0.0 6680 2432 pts/2 S+ 15:51 0:00 grep --color=auto ssyncAlsa_gcc14_x64_v1
RE: Work In Progress: 1.4.4 - agent_kith - 29-Apr-2025
(29-Apr-2025, 12:02 AM)wxrbbs Wrote: Suggestion: Is it possible to run programs in memory, or even run the system in memory (such as ramroot)? Currently, after implementing memory-resident operation for mpd, upmpdcli, and diretta, the sound quality has improved significantly. Therefore, have you considered developing in this direction?As in load the OS in memory? Technically it can be done just that it requires some advanced networking configuration (e.g. setting up a TFTP server, and configure your computer to boot from network). Doing so it means you can boot your machine without any HDD/SSD.
I have a blog talking about it here: PxE booting.
Video of diskless setup.
RE: [split] Possible To Load Snakeoil OS in RAM - carlodim - 29-Apr-2025
(29-Apr-2025, 12:02 AM)wxrbbs Wrote: Suggestion: Is it possible to run programs in memory, or even run the system in memory (such as ramroot)? Currently, after implementing memory-resident operation for mpd, upmpdcli, and diretta, the sound quality has improved significantly. Therefore, have you considered developing in this direction?Yes, interesting. AudioLinux offers this option:
Quote:7) With ramroot option you can load the entire system to RAM for a record reactivity and general performance. This way you can run a system without drives
RE: [split] Possible To Load Snakeoil OS in RAM - agent_kith - 30-Apr-2025
(29-Apr-2025, 12:20 PM)carlodim Wrote:(29-Apr-2025, 12:02 AM)wxrbbs Wrote: Suggestion: Is it possible to run programs in memory, or even run the system in memory (such as ramroot)? Currently, after implementing memory-resident operation for mpd, upmpdcli, and diretta, the sound quality has improved significantly. Therefore, have you considered developing in this direction?Yes, interesting. AudioLinux offers this option:
Quote:7) With ramroot option you can load the entire system to RAM for a record reactivity and general performance. This way you can run a system without drives
Ramroot is slightly different from PxE booting though. With PxE booting you can do so with any Linux operating systems. Ramroot is designed for Arch Linux but may work with other Linux distros....
Guess I can investigate how Arch Linux works with Snakeoil, and if it's good, maybe migrate over?
Something in the medium to long term I guess.
RE: [split] Possible To Load Snakeoil OS in RAM - hkphantomgtr - 30-Apr-2025
(30-Apr-2025, 10:51 AM)agent_kith Wrote:(29-Apr-2025, 12:20 PM)carlodim Wrote:(29-Apr-2025, 12:02 AM)wxrbbs Wrote: Suggestion: Is it possible to run programs in memory, or even run the system in memory (such as ramroot)? Currently, after implementing memory-resident operation for mpd, upmpdcli, and diretta, the sound quality has improved significantly. Therefore, have you considered developing in this direction?Yes, interesting. AudioLinux offers this option:
Quote:7) With ramroot option you can load the entire system to RAM for a record reactivity and general performance. This way you can run a system without drives
Ramroot is slightly different from PxE booting though. With PxE booting you can do so with any Linux operating systems. Ramroot is designed for Arch Linux but may work with other Linux distros....
Guess I can investigate how Arch Linux works with Snakeoil, and if it's good, maybe migrate over?
Please excuse for a layman question...... does PxE booting also can boot without a boot disc? So the whole OS is already in the RAM?
RE: [split] Possible To Load Snakeoil OS in RAM - agent_kith - 01-May-2025
(30-Apr-2025, 11:03 AM)hkphantomgtr Wrote: Please excuse for a layman question...... does PxE booting also can boot without a boot disc? So the whole OS is already in the RAM?Yes. That's the idea, one less SSD running on the machine means less load on the PSU. And faster since everything is running in RAM.
You can look at this article for a general idea, and look up the Internet for more resources on how to do this.
RE: [split] Possible To Load Snakeoil OS in RAM - Snoopy8 - 05-May-2025
(30-Apr-2025, 10:51 AM)agent_kith Wrote: With PxE booting you can do so with any Linux operating systems.I tried setting up PxE and it required many moving parts : Bios of NUC, NAS to enable service, store image and Router for PxE server. Plus creating iso of the SO instance. Each required its own setup, with information all over the place and often generic.
Did not get it going. Setting up PxE is far too hard for me...
RE: [split] Possible To Load Snakeoil OS in RAM - agent_kith - 07-May-2025
(05-May-2025, 07:56 PM)Snoopy8 Wrote:Yeah, it's quite involved. Most typical routers' DNS server probably do not have a tftp setting so it either means you need a more specialised router (I was using pfSense, Untangle and Unifi). Thing is, I'm not sure if it's even worth documenting this down - as doing this is somewhat complex and may be too difficult for first time users.(30-Apr-2025, 10:51 AM)agent_kith Wrote: With PxE booting you can do so with any Linux operating systems.I tried setting up PxE and it required many moving parts : Bios of NUC, NAS to enable service, store image and Router for PxE server. Plus creating iso of the SO instance. Each required its own setup, with information all over the place and often generic.
Did not get it going. Setting up PxE is far too hard for me...
But I guess, if there's enough interest, maybe? Or we can use kernel boot options and load the OS into RAM, this will still require onsite storage though.
RE: [split] Possible To Load Snakeoil OS in RAM - Snoopy8 - 07-May-2025
(07-May-2025, 11:01 AM)agent_kith Wrote: But I guess, if there's enough interest, maybe? Or we can use kernel boot options and load the OS into RAM, this will still require onsite storage though.Yes, I am interested and I think @wxrbbs @carlodim @hkphantomgtr will also be.
RE: [split] Possible To Load Snakeoil OS in RAM - Snoopy8 - 11-May-2025
If SO can be loaded into memory, then for the Pi5, am I correct in saying that there is no longer an advantage to use NVME/SSD over microSD? If so, then another reason to pursue this enhancement ...