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Work In Progress: 1.4.4 - agent_kith - 17-Apr-2025

Working on next version of Snakeoil (1.4.4). The UX is kind of ancient to be honest, I might upgrade the WebApp to support material UI, which has a "switch" widget, and that widget just feels more logical than a checkbox.

   

As such it will be a on/off switch instead of a checkbox. When switched on, your Snakeoil OS will automatically attach the machine to your Pro subscription and enable the realtime kernel feature. The kernel will then show up in the list of kernels to boot from.

This is the improved UX when switching Snakeoil from stable vs experimental (i.e. every version discussed here).

   

Again I feel this can be improved with the use of Material UI. This is still work in progress - I think it's a good idea to have individual holds for each package (i.e. you can update Snakeoil WebApp without updating the players, or the other way round, or disable updates for both packages completely). This means you can still update the OS without updating Snakeoil, and what is more important - you can also update Snakeoil without updating the Ubuntu OS itself. <- I know what I am saying sounds confusing right now, hopefully I can work this out in the UI.

Test build is not released yet though as I want to add in more features before releasing it. So watch this space. Overall these changes will (or should) make it easier to tweak your Snakeoil PC to do exactly the way you want it.

RE: Work In Progress: 1.4.4 - Snoopy8 - 19-Apr-2025

Suggestions for 1 4.4 music players. 
  • Rename Roon to Roon Server, in line with what they call it
  • Remove BubbleUPnP, Clementine, XMMS
  • Keep 2 or 3 versions of Squeezelite; V2 was most stable, fixed problems in SO 1.3 of other versions


RE: Work In Progress: 1.4.4 - agent_kith - 19-Apr-2025

(19-Apr-2025, 05:36 AM)Snoopy8 Wrote: Suggestions for 1 4.4 music players. 
  • Rename Roon to Roon Server, in line with what they call it
  • Remove BubbleUPnP, Clementine, XMMS
Added tickets for roon and to remove clementine and XMMS.

Unsure about BubbleUPnP as I think some may still be using it? Problem is I don't have the metrics of what players people are using right now. I am thinking of adding anonymous metrics to track this. Knowing what players people are using will certainly save time and stop supporting players nobody is using.

(19-Apr-2025, 05:36 AM)Snoopy8 Wrote:
  • Keep 2 or 3 versions of Squeezelite; V2 was most stable, fixed problems in SO 1.3 of other versions
    • Will work on this. Now that I have moved my primary listening rig to the latest (and greatest?) I have lost some warmth, will re-evaluate if switching SqueezeLite can fix that. Then I can remove v1.6.4, which is a custom build I have been using since inception. Big Grin

    RE: Work In Progress: 1.4.4 - Snoopy8 - 19-Apr-2025

    (19-Apr-2025, 08:33 AM)agent_kith Wrote:
    (19-Apr-2025, 05:36 AM)Snoopy8 Wrote: Suggestions for 1 4.4 music players. 
    • Rename Roon to Roon Server, in line with what they call it
    • Remove BubbleUPnP, Clementine, XMMS
    Added tickets for roon and to remove clementine and XMMS.

    Unsure about BubbleUPnP as I think some may still be using it? Problem is I don't have the metrics of what players people are using right now. I am thinking of adding anonymous metrics to track this. Knowing what players people are using will certainly save time and stop supporting players nobody is using.
    I was the originator of the BubbleUPnP Server request.  But I have since moved away from UPnP because of the security risks.  And there has not been a single question on it in the forum. So, assume safe to remove?
     
    (19-Apr-2025, 08:33 AM)agent_kith Wrote:
    (19-Apr-2025, 05:36 AM)Snoopy8 Wrote:
    • Keep 2 or 3 versions of Squeezelite; V2 was most stable, fixed problems in SO 1.3 of other versions
    Will work on this. Now that I have moved my primary listening rig to the latest (and greatest?) I have lost some warmth, will re-evaluate if switching SqueezeLite can fix that. Then I can remove v1.6.4, which is a custom build I have been using since inception. Big Grin
    I suspect you are right in Squeezelite V2 being less warm than earlier versions?  I think that made my shift from MPD to LMS much easier...  So, maybe 3 versions, V2, most warm version plus something in the middle ?

    RE: Work In Progress: 1.4.4 - Snoopy8 - 20-Apr-2025

    While you are looking at the UI, please re-visit the Music Player.  We do make it hard for someone, especially new to set up a music player.

    [Image: Playing-music.jpg]
    These are the steps (which I will write up in Wiki) to set up a player:
    1. Check that DAC is connected to USB, refresh if required
    2. Select a player and enable it
    3. This brings up the complicated step of pointing to the correct audio output, putting a name and Apply
    4. Then Save
    5. Which hopefully brings up the player, otherwise check logs
    Yes, it is a complicated workflow, which is challenging to simplify and automate.  But can we have a:
    • Wizard to guide a user?
    • Graphic with the steps ?
    • Screen with the steps in logical order?
    • Simpler screens to hide the details (but let advanced user tweak) ?
    • Combination of above ?


    RE: Work In Progress: 1.4.4 - skel - 20-Apr-2025

    Hi! I use BubbleUpnp Server. It is the only chance for me to realize Digital Room Correction for Qobuz since Brutefir does not exist anymore in the Lyrion Music Server. So please keep it.
    Thanks

    RE: Work In Progress: 1.4.4 - Snoopy8 - 21-Apr-2025

    (20-Apr-2025, 10:08 PM)skel Wrote: Hi! I use BubbleUpnp Server. It is the only chance for me to realize Digital Room Correction for Qobuz since Brutefir does not exist anymore in the Lyrion Music Server. So please keep it.
    Thanks
    Thank you for the feedback.  Am I correct in assuming that you are also using MinimServer?

    I use convolution with CamiilaDSP for Qobuz & LMS. Curious to know what room correction you are doing.

    @skel I have updated the Wiki, please provide feedback
    https://www.snakeoil-os.net/reference/players/bubbleupnp

    @agent_kith please rename to BubbleUPnP Server, to make things consistent and differentiate it from Android BubbleUPnP.

    RE: Work In Progress: 1.4.4 - agent_kith - 21-Apr-2025

    (21-Apr-2025, 06:26 AM)Snoopy8 Wrote: @agent_kith please rename to BubbleUPnP Server, to make things consistent and differentiate it from Android BubbleUPnP.
    Where to do this? Don't quite get the context here.

    RE: Work In Progress: 1.4.4 - Snoopy8 - 21-Apr-2025

    (21-Apr-2025, 09:09 AM)agent_kith Wrote:
    (21-Apr-2025, 06:26 AM)Snoopy8 Wrote: @agent_kith please rename to BubbleUPnP Server, to make things consistent and differentiate it from Android BubbleUPnP.
    Where to do this? Don't quite get the context here.
    In the name of software player. Instead of BubbleUPnP, call it "BubbleUPnP Server"

    skel - skel - 22-Apr-2025

    (21-Apr-2025, 06:26 AM)Snoopy8 Wrote:
    (20-Apr-2025, 10:08 PM)skel Wrote: Hi! I use BubbleUpnp Server. It is the only chance for me to realize Digital Room Correction for Qobuz since Brutefir does not exist anymore in the Lyrion Music Server. So please keep it.
    Thanks
    Thank you for the feedback.  Am I correct in assuming that you are also using MinimServer?

    I use convolution with CamiilaDSP for Qobuz & LMS. Curious to know what room correction you are doing.

    @skel I have updated the Wiki, please provide feedback
    https://www.snakeoil-os.net/reference/players/bubbleupnp

    @agent_kith please rename to BubbleUPnP Server, to make things consistent and differentiate it from Android BubbleUPnP.

    I didn't succeed to install and use CamillaDSP yet. So I decided to wait until it is included in SO (will that happen? I would be really glad!)
    At the moment I use BubbleUPNP on my Android Tablet (also the Qobuz app directly works) to choose Qobuz as source and the UPNP renderer which BubbleUPNP Server delivers as output. On the BubbleUPNP server configuration page it is possible to apply the DRC convolution filters in the audio filter section. That did not work until the developer sent me a beta version of his server software. Now it works, SQ is fine but I'm curious if CamillaDSP with LMS is better?
    I built the convolution filter with the Acourate programm of Audiovero.
    [Image: Bildschirmfoto-2025-04-21-um-22-47-37.png]